Q. How are you paying your freelancers?
A. We try to help them as much as we can, with moral support and with any kind of concrete support. We can still pay them. There’s a complicated process, but it seems to work. But there’s a huge amount of transaction cost that gets lost in the mix, which is involved for money changes to actually access cash, which we try to compensate for by paying more to cover that. But these things fluctuate a lot.
Then, of course, there is just the price of the most basic foodstuffs. Somebody was quoting to me the other day, something like the equivalent of 80 or 90 euros for a pound of sugar. These are huge sums of money. So we can get the money and they can be paid. But the challenge is just finding food in any kind of reasonable quantity. Sometimes our freelancer might be the only breadwinner for their family. The daily battle to find food and to feed their family is immense.
Q. Is AFP providing support in any other ways?
A. Before leaving, our journalists stockpiled things like protective gear. Depending on what’s going on, that can provide limited protection, especially if you’re being directly targeted. What’s important, which we’re trying to do at the moment, is for our freelancers to know that there’s an organisation working for them and communicating on their behalf. We are trying to get some of them out, not because they want to abandon the story, but because they’re worried about their families. They’re very worried about their children, and they’re desperate. It’s very hard.
Q. What are the obstacles to evacuating your freelancers?
A. It’s a complicated dance and not very transparent, but you need agreement from the Israelis, and you need support from state sponsors to push pretty hard. The government of Qatar was very helpful to us the first time around, and the French government is always very supportive of journalists in difficulty. But at the moment, there’s not much movement from anywhere. So we are very actively engaged in the diplomatic effort.
Q. In light of the recent killing of the six Al Jazeera reporters and team members, which followed claims by Israel of ties to Hamas, are you concerned about narratives that paint Palestinian journalists as a whole as unreliable, not credible? How can this affect your freelancers still on the ground?
A. We’re very used to this. We’ve seen this from the very beginning of the story, this attempt to dehumanise Palestinian journalists, as if to say they are not journalists, or some sort of inferior journalists. The journalists who work for us, our staff members in Gaza, who worked for AFP for 20 or 30 years, they won some of the biggest prizes in journalism: World Press Photo, Bayeux Calvados-Normandy Award for war correspondents, and so on.
These people have been working to the ethical standards of AFP for 20 or 30 years. They are just journalists to us. But there is a campaign to smear and undermine many good, hard-working and ethical journalists in Gaza, and you don’t see that anywhere else in the world. We have journalists all over the place. Our journalists in Afghanistan have never been accused of working for the Taliban or anything like that.
I can’t speak for every news organisation. I’m going to speak for AFP: we’ve had to deal with these allegations from time to time, and they can be extremely unfair and hard to rebut. How do you rebut a negative? It’s extremely hard.
One very unfair thing is that there’s a sort of game to show journalists who have been working there, pictured with people from Hamas. Well, Hamas has been running the Gaza Strip for more than 20 years. They were the de facto government there. Many people have been working with the de facto government of the Gaza Strip over the last 20 years, including, for a time, the Israelis.
Pictures of a journalist interacting with Hamas figures at some point in the last 20 years just don’t show anything. It is your job as a journalist in any country or territory to have contacts and to understand the ruling authority of that area. Our journalists in Afghanistan try to have the maximum amount of contact they can with the Taliban, for example, yet they are not accused of being terrorists.
Q. Is it a lot harder to stick to the standards that you usually maintain in terms of fact-checking and sourcing information, with all these restrictions and risks?
A. I had a robust discussion with the Israeli government and authorities, and one thing I said to them is, I find it very difficult to have criticism of our work in Gaza, when there are such huge efforts made to prevent us from doing our work there.
Every single journalist in Gaza is going to be extremely fearful of doing anything, of going anywhere, fearful of doing their job. And so all this context makes it that much harder for people to get information, and to be able to go somewhere and be on the scene and to witness something, because simply being there is an extremely dangerous thing to do, so it has a chilling effect.
Q. Journalists are now being targeted while openly identifying as members of the press. Will AFP change its security protocols and training for conflict zones?
A. We’re in a very precarious time. Gaza is probably the most serious manifestation of it, but you could also look at the war in Ukraine. The period in which you could identify as a journalist and have some confidence that you would be treated with respect or neutrality by combatants is gone. At the moment, some of the biggest threats come from the air. They come from surveillance. They come from drone technology. They come from AI. They come from things that are just going so fast around us and are almost impossible to counter.
This is a very perilous time to be a journalist, and it has also coincided with the global rise of populism and authoritarianism, where there is no strong moral voice sticking up for journalists. You can even see it today. There are strong statements from the CPJ and RSF, the press freedom groups of our industry, but there are very few strong comments from governments on this. There’s been very little government pressure anywhere in the world to convince the Israelis to open up Gaza and allow foreign journalists in.